[GiftEconomy] Contact from top 500 website

[fran k]

Hi, Robin,  I need to do my paper on the aspects of money causing scarcity. Its waiting to be done. Its an unseen thing, even though its taught in the first pages of most every economic text. The credit crunch has brought interest in interest debt to the fore in recent years, which is good but artificially created scarcity is more important.

On, there being a difference that I mentioned, it may be that there is no difference, as money is a common commodity (even though its fiat money and controlled),  So, giving it as a gift, is same as giving freely any commodity.   

I think you have something there with 'runaway', and that greed will make it fizzle out.

 Best wishes,  Frank.

Money economy, exchange,  = scarcity,starvation of needs.       exchange is about me,me,me ,  about  winning, it socially excludes people and it physically excludes people.  Its death, death to the body, the spirit, and the soul.  Gift economy, sharing, = abundance, all fed.            sharing is about us,   it is  
The gift economy, is community, voluntary work, family, co-operatives, open source, scientific knowledge sharing,matriarchical societies, free cycle, green movement,  permaculture, forest gardening, the earth.  www.gift-economy.com 

--- On Sun, 3/10/10, Robin Upton <robin2008 at altruists.org> wrote:

From: Robin Upton <robin2008 at altruists.org>
Subject: Re: [GiftEconomy] Contact from top 500 website
To: gifteconomy at lists.gifteconomy.org
Date: Sunday, 3 October, 2010, 5:40

On 03/10/10 10:43, fran k wrote:
> Hi. Forget the porn use. As Thats a debatable contentious issue. But as an application for enhancing and promoting community resource sharing of goods and services. As a model. Are there any other examples of this mechanism out there or is this a new mechanism?.
They were the first to do person to person video streaming, which was
formerly pretty limited due to lack of bandwidth/video cameras, but is
not getting big. Currently they're just doing exhibitionism/voyeurism,
but they want to get into other areas.
> (Just thought, maybe more popular churches get more funding-tips, donations. So, maybe this is a smooth easy method of rewarding people) Also, are the people viewing socially excluded? Ie, does it make any difference to what they can now view? Ie. Can they still view free as much as they could before, if they choose not to tip? As this is what the exchange economy does. It socially excludes the buyers. 
Currently, I think if you choose not to tip, then no doors are closed to
you. But before everything was free, so by offering tipping, they are
heading in that direction. So in the longer term, it may demotivate
people to offer videos of themselves for free - but I don't think they
have foreseen this. (Wolfenshiessen)
> Is this a skills status economy? Rewarding a hierarchy of skills. 
>
> Sounds like you have pointed out a split, a divergence  between the concepts of  freeconomy and gift economy, which Ive taken to be the same. Needs thinking about.   
>
> Am I right in thinking the business makes its money by selling the tokens for a set amount, and when theyre tipped, less of their value goes to the performers. Thereby the business pockets for itself, the bit they havent given to the performers.
>   
I think so. I think until very recently, they were just selling adverts,
but they wanted to 'capitalize' on their traffic.
> ... about Money As Debt ...
I just use that as an easy access example so that they may start to
notice that there are broader goals in life than notching up imaginary
credits in a govt backed Ponzi scheme. There are good people everywhere,
and what with all this stuff about the financial crisis lately, who
knows, they might turn rogue and become real humans again :-) I chose
M.A.D. because it is a good "something is really wrong here" video.

Robin

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