[GiftEconomy] Contact from top 500 website

[elf Pavlik]

Hi Robin,

I apologize for yesterday post, as I mentioned in signing it felt little
grumpy =(

I would like to express my admiration for your open minded approach to
work with people from this business. I also believe that deep in their
hearts they don't want to do what they do, and just drifted to what they do
in cruel currents of present times. I really respect you trying to
seriously work with them!

Big up!
elf Pavlik



On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:16:04 +0900, Robin Upton <robin2008 at altruists.org>
wrote:
> Mindful of Elf's posting, I add a 4th area:
> 
> 4) Subvert their business by deliberately undermining people's
> motivation to participate.
> 
> It occurs to me that since they took the step of monetising it, they may
> already be on this road.
> c.f. http://altruists.org/ae605 They are Wolfenschiessen. If they do
> find that monetising it has a big
> detrimental effect on willingness to perform for free (which I think it
> might) then it'd be good to have
> the statistics to document this, and publish on the topic.
> 
> On 03/10/10 03:52, elf Pavlik wrote:
>> 3) learn more about decentralized systems and P2P ? =)
>> Hopefully it will not bring them nightmares...
>>   
> As the owners of a top 500 website, I doubt that they will be in this
> headspace.
> Relax, I won't spend too long on them, away from developing the F2F
> plan/code.
>> Honestly I don't understand how tipping tokens which get exchanged for
$
>> differ from giving money directly? 
> I'll ask them about this, but I think the token stage is just an idea
> for them to take a cut.
>> Doesn't sound much like gift economy from what I understood...
>>   
> It also wasn't what I had imagined for a world wide gift economy :-)
> It is an optional payment after the fact. But I think it can become
> payment before the fact,
> by the dynamics of money.
>> Personally I would recommend them to encourage people to build healthy
>> relations with other people instead of watching porn on the computer.
>>   
> Coincidentally, I published a radio program yesterday from which you can
> gauge my take on pornography:
> http://www.unwelcomeguests.net/519
>> Maybe my input doesn't come much helpful here but I don't like when
some
>> people try to make $ on porn. I also have problem to believe that this
>> company gives much damn about anything else then their revenue!
>>   
> Of course, you may well be right on this. How do people get to run such
> a large company?
> So my main aim will be data collection to understand dynamics of
> tipping, and if I see a
> Wolfenschiessen phenomenon going on, then gather data to understand it.
> 
> Robin
> 
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