[GiftEconomy] 'Emerges'? How about 're-emerges'?

Sun Apr 24 06:30:52 PDT 2011

as a follow up on Frank in his last reply :

" stipulate what purpose that gift is to be used for "
" see how it can be used to free land and basic needs "

I personally like ( as concept - in development )

http://www.automenta.com/

netention presentation :

http://www.automenta.com/netention

and directly related to it

http://www.facebook.com/notes/sam-smith/survival-network/10150154959992791

Possibly also use such approach to reclaim vectors towards choosing what
relational dynamics to support ( as defined by Fiske -
http://p2pfoundation.net/Relational_Model_Typology_-_Fiske )
via "transaction contracts", which can route via various legal frameworks /
status,
and enable the visualization of interdependencies.

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 2:22 PM, fran k <frank_bowman at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi. Thanks for those links Dante. Its interesting to see how the anti
> economy is looking at the real economy, Thankyou Teresa for your take on
> exchange separateness distance and sharing closeness, its a reilluminating
> view point. Robin been meaning to reply to your posts. Its great your doing
> projects at the mo. Sound real tasty too.
>
> All this makes me think how the invisible economy is great invisible.
> Versus wrapping projects up legally. But only useful awareness as I think
> wrapping up legally is imperative. Also this makes me think of world
> religions showing the example of the worlds  greatest example of total
> social inclusivity via the collection plate. Also charity legal form being
> actually fractal. Being a legal form of giver, to managers, to
> beneficieries. From the organisation to the collecting tin. A giver no
> matter how large or small the donation can stipulate what purpose that gift
> is to be used for, and it can be used for no other purpose. So you can see
> how it can be used to free land and basic needs.:)frank
>
> P.s. Teresa, what are your views on henry georges land value community
> charge?.f
>
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 09:33 BST Dante-Gabryell Monson wrote:
>
> >Since couchsurfing is mentioned,
> >and also ( capitalist ) enclosure related to sharing,
> >
> >it may be of interest to have a look at
> >
> >http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/
> >
> >"Couchsurfing could go commercial"
> >
> http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2011/04/20/couchsurfing-com-could-go-commercial/
> >
> >
> http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/a-criticism-of-couchsurfing-and-review-of-alternatives/#fraud
> >
> ><
> http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/a-criticism-of-couchsurfing-and-review-of-alternatives/#fraud
> >see
> >the evolution of how "donation/verification" money is being spent within
> the
> >not for profit to support the causes it supports,
> >
> >and the amount of money that may be set aside :
> >
> >2009 ( over a million dollars )
> >http://www.couchsurfing.org/organization_finances_2009.html
> >
> >2008 ( nearly eight hundred thousand dollars )
> >http://www.couchsurfing.org/organization_finances_2008.html
> >
> >2007 ( three hundred thousand dollars )
> >http://www.couchsurfing.org/organization_finances_2007.html
> >
> >2006 ( hundred thousand dollars )
> >http://www.couchsurfing.org/organization_finances_2006.html
> >
> >...
> >
> >On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Tereza Coraggio <tereza at retrometro.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry, I didn't read the article before I passed it on - I just read the
> >> beginning about craigslist and couch surfing. Charity Focus, who
> publishes
> >> The Daily Good, walks their talk, and everything they do is
> volunteer-based.
> >> But sometimes the articles they publish are a bit too corporate for my
> >> taste.
> >>
> >> That said, I like the sites that enable people to rent their own houses.
> >> I'll never stay in a commercial property again for a vacation. I was
> happy
> >> to hear that someone was developing a way for cars to be shared without
> >> risk. I hope that P2P taxi services will be soon to follow, so I can pay
> >> someone in the neighborhood next time I need a ride to the airport. Lots
> of
> >> people are piecing together a living from a little bit of money here and
> >> there and I'd rather support that than incur a favor I don't have time
> to
> >> repay. Most people either have time or they have money, but it's rare to
> >> have both. So hooking the people with time up with the people with money
> is
> >> okay in my book. I'm not a purist.
> >>
> >> I like what you're doing, Robin, with the helping on the street. I'm
> sure
> >> that's making an impact.
> >>
> >> Tereza
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 23, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Duane Eareckson wrote:
> >>
> >>  But the capitalist drive will not be extinguished. They will to
> "optimize"
> >>> the culture of sharing for their profit, whether by persuasion, threat,
> or
> >>> force, and they will find ways. Their hypocrisy, that they will not
> >>> <i>share</i> their optimizations, is the glint which betrays the
> >>> machinations to inject extraction in the network of cooperation.
> >>>
> >>> The "central authority" will be the architects of the means of sharing.
> >>> The means of sharing cannot be totally autonomous and will be
> organized, to
> >>> some extent. Whereas a rising tide would lift all boats, in an ebb
> tide,
> >>> someone will have to pay for the tugboat.
> >>>
> >>> The most revolutionary force in the world will not go down easy.
> >>>
> >>> Duane
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Upton" <
> robin2008 at altruists.org
> >>> >
> >>> To: <gifteconomy at lists.gifteconomy.org>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 2:29 AM
> >>> Subject: [GiftEconomy] 'Emerges'? How about 're-emerges'?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Thanks for this, Tereza.
> >>>>
> >>>>> The Sharing Economy Emerges
> >>>>>> Peer to peer exchange of goods and services has skyrocketed way
> >>>>>> beyond craigslist.org and Couch Surfing. Now, access to goods and
> >>>>>> skills is becoming more important than ownership of them. And that
> >>>>>> has sparked a "Sharing Economy". Gartner Group researchers estimate
> >>>>>> that the peer-to-peer financial-lending market will reach $5 billion
> >>>>>> by 2013. Botsman says the consumer peer-to-peer rental market will
> >>>>>> become a $26 billion sector, and believes the sharing economy, in
> >>>>>> total, is a $110 billion-plus market. "Is this purely a
> >>>>>> warm-and-fuzzy kind of thing?" says Ann Miura-Ko, a venture
> >>>>>> capitalist at Floodgate Fund. "It's not. It's underutilized asset
> >>>>>> utilization." That is to say, sharing is becoming common place.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> The rise of digitally mediated sharing is indeed promising, but only
> a
> >>>> capitalist could see this as a fundamentally new thing. I mean life is
> >>>> full of sharing. To say nothing of shared genes, shared understandings
> >>>> or shared streets, people in most parts of the world still share all
> >>>> sorts of stuff daily, just as they used to in the past in USA.
> >>>> Barnraising? Potlatch?
> >>>>
> >>>> So whilst in one sense it's a welcome step away from what Eisenstein
> >>>> calls "the discrete and separate self", sharing does not cease to
> count
> >>>> just because it goes unaccounted in ledgers. Arguably, unmetered
> sharing
> >>>> is more important. I haven't investigated the 'Floodgate Fund', so I
> may
> >>>> be doing her an injustice, but Ann Miura-Ko's designation as 'venture
> >>>> capitalist' suggests to me that she's expecting to get out more money
> >>>> than she puts in.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, it's food for thought for my work on the Internet Gift
> Economy,
> >>>> which has been going slow lately - distracted by working on the
> >>>> roofgarden. The current model as regards metering is to leave it up to
> >>>> those involved whether they want to record things. Eitherway, a big
> >>>> difference is that there won't be any central authority in charge, so
> no
> >>>> point for revenue extraction. No business model.
> >>>>
> >>>> Robin
> >>>>
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